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Increasing max_input_vars setting in php.ini

I'm having a problem with pageforms not saving (e.g.: Form:STARDIT doesn't work, but the truncated Form:STARDIT/sandbox does).

On the help page Extension:Page_Forms/Common_problems, it suggests that: "If a form contains a large number of fields - such as through the use of multiple-instance templates - and not all of them are saved, it could be due to a limitation in PHP. Increasing the value of the max_input_vars setting in php.ini may help."

Would that be possible to test? Evolution and evolvability (talk) 06:29, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CRIT SPORE idea

Maybe a spore for hosting a Critique or Review-like content would be useful, as I often feel adding this to Wikipedia in encyclopedic langauge is less expressive. Would try first with examples from WD entries that are well covered or not at all in Wikipedia, but are somewhat urgent and useful...Example: Hopin.to (web service) (Q100977865) ...just now I can not save a new page!? Maye others can? Zblace (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good example on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_remote_event_participation/WorkAdventure Zblace (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Subpages?

Why not subpages instead of dedicated namespaces? Isn't it better to put pages of each spore as subpages akin to Wikibooks? Earlier at #Main_namespace_vs._Wiki:_namespace, it was decided to use separate namespaces. My suggestion will be to use subpages. e.g, change Art:Art society → Art Spore/Art society. Vis M (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agreed. Right now titles show as "Spore Name: Spore Page", Ideally, when you're within a spore it looks as close to the experimental project as possible. Supertrinko (talk) 01:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seed

The word "spore" always gives my mind a picture of fungal spores and pollen grains, both of which are traumatic. Especially during covid when there is w:Black fungus (COVID-19 condition). :( Word seed looks more calm and green! Vis M (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC). Retracting. Vis M (talk) 22:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Law spore

@Pharos: I see Cargo has been installed on here. That is currently what underpins WikiLaw in my testing wiki. If you start a "Law" spore, then I would be happy to contribute to it using what I have done over there. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 00:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MJL: Great, I've started the Law Spore page! I also thought to start a page on Cargo on Wikispore so that we can begin to think about cross-pollianting spores where this technology may be most suitable.--Pharos (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pageforms and CodeEditorHooks.php

When attempting to preview a pageform, I'm getting the following errors:

Deprecated: Use of EditPage::getContextTitle called with no title set was deprecated in MediaWiki 1.32. [Called from CodeEditorHooks::editPageShowEditFormInitial in /vagrant/mediawiki/extensions/CodeEditor/includes/CodeEditorHooks.php at line 44] in /vagrant/mediawiki/includes/debug/MWDebug.php on line 329 (10.0.3.88)

Some parts of the edit form did not reach the server; double-check that your edits are intact and try again.

The forms still save fine, so it seems specific to the preview functions. Any ideas on whether an extension needs to be updated? Evolution and evolvability (talk) 07:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Installing Lua

I'm pretty keen to try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Module:String here. Would it be possible to add the Lua extension so that we can use Lua modules? Evolution and evolvability (talk) 07:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This wiki has no Module: namespace for Lua modules. This is extremely essential for the wiki, because some crucial templates needs Lua to be functional Thingofme (talk) 01:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would also love to see this wiki advance with Lua. --Zblace (talk) 07:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rename "Wiki" namespace to "Wikispore"

This is Wikispore, so what about moving Wiki:... to Wikispore:... Thingofme (talk) 02:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Or just Spore: ? -- Zblace (talk) 10:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More SKINS?

I just came across Skin:Tweeki and I am kind of impressed...maybe it is worth installing it to be able to render at least some pages in this skin and help imagine more radical forms of Spores? --Zblace (talk) 10:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Source Spore

I would like to start a Source Spore. In analogy to the statement of openlibrary.org, One web page for every book ever published., there should be one leave to discuss a single source. Examples for sources: Maps, photos, interviews, audio files, webpages, newspaper clippings, maybe recorded in databases like openlibrary.org, maybe stored in Wikimedia Commons, Internet Archive or Wayback Machine. So if it is okay for you I would like to start with some first leaves... Kind regards from Lower Saxony, Germany ChristianSW (talk) 16:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We already have a new mediawiki logo

The powered by mediawiki is still outdated: use the new one. TylerMagee (talk) 15:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is a relatively small action, but I have created a bug for it so we don't forget: phab:T318430.--Pharos (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Problem posting a reply on a talkpage

Just to et you know:

I am not sure who to report this type of problem to on this wiki: I was trying to post a response at: Event talk:International Women's Day 2021#Title, but received a 404 page after pressing Reply. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC) (correction) Ottawahitech (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I get the message "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 415)", which is the same we get with phab:T274381 which breaks VisualEditor.--Pharos (talk) 13:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Multiple:namespaces:used

I just came across example of Wiki using multiple namespaces (and funny how after all this time it took me OSM to see it) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:monument:genesis

Now I wonder if we should consider softer borders for pages (and their single-page-spore-identity) to be able to include them in more then one spore and/or in more then one depth level?

--Zblace (talk) 09:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this actually in multiple namespaces on OSM, or is it just formatted oddly? I.e. are there separate "Monument:" and "Genesis:" namespaces? It's an interesting thing to explore either way.--Pharos (talk) 13:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The OSM wiki doesn’t even have a “Key:” namespace. It’s actually a page named “Key:monument:genesis” in Main namespace, cf. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=monument+genesis&profile=advanced&ns0=1

―BlaueBlüte (talk) 19:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Documenting templates

I'd like to have a go at using Cargo to organise template documentation. e.g. in {{documentation}} create a Cargo table called templates with fields such as description, tags, and spores (to designate which Spores a template is made for). Does this sound okay? I think much of the data can come out of the TemplateData (once phab:T107119 is done), but making it query-able I think would be really useful — better than using categories to organise templates, because lists of templates could be displayed with descriptions, examples, etc. And of course, the documentation template would itself document its documentation! :-P Samwilson (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Convergence of non-profit sector efforts

context and current state of affairs

We currently have several different concepts, perspectives and urgencies in efforts of covering the non-profit sector (mostly organizations, but also projects and maybe campaigns, less-likely people).

These are not only different angles but different dynamics:

Org Spore - 2019 concept of spore for mapping historic organizations, as in no longer active, much of sources primary (proposer:Pharos)
Civil Society Spore - 2020/05 spore and active project for mapping contemporary organizations (proposer: Zblace, few older and recent contributors)
Template:Organization - 2020/08 spore template and experiments focused on mapping Wikimedia affiliates info (proposer: Econterms, supporter Samwilson...)
Category:Movement strategy activities - 2022/10 data upload from WM Summit with WM 2030 Movement Strategy urgency (proposer:Pharos, with Yaron and interest from WMF&WMDE)
...?

--Pharos (talk) 02:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
+ restructured and extended --Zblace (talk) 05:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposal

I suggest that these all be consolidated to a single namespace/spore, perhaps as Org Spore or NGO Spore. We should have a hub page on Wikimedia efforts at Org:Wikimedia or NGO:Wikimedia or something, and perhaps have the movement strategy activities at e.g. NGO:Wikimedia/Recovery circus history. Does this make sense, and what should the consolidated name be (1) "Org", (2) "NGO", (3) "Civil Society", or something else? My own preference would be toward something concise/international.--Pharos (talk) 02:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good efforts. I hope you do not mind me editing context part as I am basically

agreeing we should use .ORG domain visibility as the name of the Spore, as it can fit most of the things without mayor issues *(IMHO only exceptions are: #1 many NGOs operate under other web domains, which could be little bit confusing #2 some content is project that are not led by a single NGO, but by multiple or even no formal entity or conceptualized identity #3 some groups intentionally resist NGO organization form and single branding so this could be not respectful of their values...but also neither of 3 is hugely urgent, much present or impossible to address with place-holders/duck-tape-solutions)
but less certain on how we practically combine, coordinate or collaborate in these efforts, but we can maybe do this in session or two of brainstorming, prototyping and iterating *(did I just started supporting Agile methods?!)
also somewhat cautious of clashing agendas, dynamics and resources (this is why I wanted to make it explicit at start), but if we are all agree on 'mindful' work and communication, think it can be OK *(especially knowing Wikispore is not only content, but also method and community making practice)

I would love to hear of others beyond just agree or not. --Zblace (talk) 05:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I like the idea of an Org Spore, with a Wikimedia hub (and potentially, similar hubs for other orgs). I like the simplicity of "Org" and the low barrier to considering something an "organisation". Both "Civil Society" and "NGO" designations would probably lead me to spend too much time second-guessing whether a given org would fit or not. Guettarda (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

#1 funding effort of Wikispore on Wikidata 10th birthday call

Following the August and September meetings, discussions and work here is the #1 ever funding proposal for work in/on/around Wikispore and it is around joyful celebration of Wikidata 10th birthday!

We have been sub-optimal in speed of delivery and we are not even sure if it will be acceptable for processing as we missed the ideal timeline for submission, but if you are willing to spend sometime reading, thinking, giving feedback or even endorsement for it please go to Meta page of the grant application. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Rapid_Fund/Wikidata:Showing_networks_of_civil_society_organizations_on_Wikispore

Regardless of success I think it is worth doing it and doing it again *(at least once more in next months) before following our strategic direction to ask for more substantial support in 2023 in the Implementation funds of WM 2030 Movement Strategy.

--Zblace (talk) 05:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What about the other Spores - Geo / Grave / Lib / Visual Story ...? -- ChristianSW (talk) 15:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good question ChristianSW! This was just the first attempt, with limited and relatively small aspirations. If you check the meeting notes from August 18th and my proposal for 2022 work towards strategy, we would ideally do one more, maybe as soon as late October (also 5k mini funding), before going for bigger and more complex grant. Would you want to work on the next small one? What spores you find most likely to need resources, for what kind of work and give what kind of results within 2-3 months? --Zblace (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Project pages terminology

Hello everyone, I really like the idea and purpose of wikispore, but, to be honest with you, I don't like the concept of terminology used for describing project pages, like spore, leaves, farmer, etc. It may be cool in English, but in some other languages (When translated), it's meaningless and weird --Mohanad Kh (talk) 22:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Languages

Hello everyone, i am a editor of wikipedia, especially the lusophone project, but i have been trying to familiarize myself with Wikispore latelly. I have been thinking about the possibilities here, but one thing that always comes to my mind is the question of languages, and i would like to ask about it - what are the expectations of other languages for Wikispore? Or, to formulate it better, how should we make it happen? I could contribute, for example, to the translation of pages to portuguese, but, of course, it would be necessary to coalesce a community to sustain it. Anyway, i would like to understand better. Bye! JoaquimCebuano (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JoaquimCebuano: I've been wondering about this too. We do have the Translate extension installed here, but I don't think there's been that much discussion about how to use it. I think part of the question is whether we want pages to be available in multiple langauges (i.e. translated from a 'main' language, presumably English; this would use the Translate extension), or if it'd be better to have the Wikipedia-style of different languages having their own pages and there being no attempt at keeping them in sync (i.e. a bit like having multiple language editions of Wikipedia all in together in one wiki; this wouldn't require much more than some conventions around page names I think). I'm working on making {{infobox}} language-agnostic, so that it displays in the reader's language (not yet quite sure how this is going to work, but am hoping to have some time over the holidays to work on it). Samwilson (talk) 03:12, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I am not informed of the various multilingual designs available, but i think that, given the humble start, wikispore should progress organically adopting a multilingual option for pages where it becomes needed/possible, using some sort of template on the top of the page indicating the available languages, somewhat like metawiki does as far i can understand. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 08:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox interwikis

I've added Wikimedia project links to {{infobox}}, under the image. Let me know about what I've broken. :-) I'm going to sort out the language links, to make it link to the most relevant project (the idea, that I'm taking from Commons, is that it can look at a user's language via {{int:lang}} (which I've just created) but it's not working yet. We should also install mw:Extension:Interwiki I guess. Samwilson (talk) 10:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Property template

I made a new template, {{P}}, for linking to Wikidata properties. Useful for documentation etc. and it matches similar templates on other wikis. Samwilson (talk) 07:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great, thank you! ChristianSW (talk) 11:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notice for Friday bringing in students

On March 10, 2023, the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences (FHSS - https://inf.ffzg.unizg.hr) at the University of Zagreb (Croatia) will host a presentation and hands-on workshop for the students of Information and Communication Science inside of Virtual Museum course, on the topic of Wikimedia and few of its projects, including Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata.org and most recent experiments on Wikispore.org. The program will be facilitated by informed and experienced Wikimedia contributors, open content/data advocates and educators who are actively involved in the (Open) GLAM wiki Croatia initiative.

During the event, students will be able to gain insight into some of the possibilities offered by these platforms, including those beyond Wikipedia, that are publicly less known. They will learn the significance of these platforms for the open knowledge ecosystem, as well as how to contribute and improve upon existing data. Furthermore, in partnership with the Department, students will have the opportunity to complete a portion of their course obligations by contributing data and improving content on selected topics on Wikimedia platforms, as well as to optionally join Wikimedia campaigns and initiatives.

We kindly ask you all for patience and understanding with new users on the day.

Thank you very much. --Zblace (talk) 08:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An idea

We need an extension for test-wiki sysoping and management, similar to what Incubator has. Also, am I the only one who believes we should use a prefix system more like Incubator, with slashes instead of colons (so that instead of Art:Art society, it would be Art/Art society)? Would simplify things greatly (would reduce Phabricator and dev work by not requiring a whole new namespace for each spore, only a root page). LuGus DeclanBiba ElodieBarnaby 00:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @LuGusDeclanBibaElodieBarnaby!

It seems that usual suspects here are busy with other things...so I think you should consider writing to Telegram group of Wikispore tech to get feedback on your idea. Mind you An idea is bad name for an idea, so consider changing it ;-p -- Zblace (talk) 17:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Using animations via .svg and json

hey folx anyone here interested or enthusiastic over using animations in wikimaking? I came across Lottie (file format) and would give it a try...get in touch if experienced or interested. -- Zblace (talk) 17:04, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

so it seems that page name is always capitalised

...even when it is not in (Main) namespace but has other explicit namespace in front - in this case Art:

That is hm...a challange for some art-pieces/projects :-/

Any ideas how to circumvent this? Zblace (talk) 08:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]